Ablebodiedman said:
"If those most intelligent men are allowed to continue then I think the earth and its creatures are doomed to even more immense suffering far beyond anything we have witnessed or can presently understand.
I hope Jesus Christ comes soon!"
Why is He allowing them all to suffer and be brutally murdered, along with allowing yet more animal species to slide towards extinction, right now?
What does your 'hope' do for animals today? And what does Jesus do for them?
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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I said: "Ablebodiedman, do you think that animals did not hunt each other before mankind existed?"
You replied:"I really do not know the answer to that question.."
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"Entelodonts lived in the forests and plains where they were the apex predatorsof North America's early Miocene and Oligocene, consuming carrion and live animals and rounding off their diets with plants and tubers. They would have hunted large animals, like the cow-sized artiodactyl Eporeodon major and the sheep-sized cameloid Poebrotherium wilsoni, dispatching them with a bite from their jaws. Some fossil remains of these other animals have been found with the bite marks of entelodonts on them."
"Entelodonts, sometimes nicknamed hell pigs or terminator pigs, are an extinct family of pig-like omnivores endemic to forests and plains of North America, Europe, and Asia from the late Eoceneto early Miocene epochs (37.2—16.3 million years ago)"
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Translating JWFacts to Spanish... Update?
by ILoveTTATT inas you all may know, it is an ongoing project to translate jwfacts to spanish.
given that there are more than 2 spanish-speaking jw's for every one that speaks english, it can be safely said that spanish is the #1 language in the jw world (even though everything is made originally in english).. the spanish-speaking jw's are harder to convince.
i attribute it almost 100% to socioeconomic factors.
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How is VERDADTJ.COM doing, in terms of development? Exciting to see the real truth now being spread in different languages!
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Writing campaign to Washington DC papers in view of International Convention
by Londo111 inive heard from a credible source that the landover (dc) international convention is important to the society in view of the 100 year anniversary of "kingdom rule" and the location being near the capital of the "seventh world power".
perhaps they hope this particular international sends a message.
we know that come convention time usually there is some feel good fluff piece in the newspapers about the watchtower religion.
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"In the second half of 2014 DC will play host to two high-profile events, the Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference in July and Jehovah's Witness International Convention in August. Microsoft expects to welcome 15,000 attendees and utilize over 68,000 hotel room nights while the Jehovah's Witness convention expects over 60,000 attendees, made up of families from around the globe and expects to bring some $41 million in impact to the local economy."
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Writing campaign to Washington DC papers in view of International Convention
by Londo111 inive heard from a credible source that the landover (dc) international convention is important to the society in view of the 100 year anniversary of "kingdom rule" and the location being near the capital of the "seventh world power".
perhaps they hope this particular international sends a message.
we know that come convention time usually there is some feel good fluff piece in the newspapers about the watchtower religion.
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"The leadership have been telling their followers to warn people that they need to either join the Witnesses or face destruction for more than a century now, which is all part of the excitement building up towards this convention, as it makes the average Witness think that the much longed-for end of the world 'must be close now'.
They eagerly look forward to the time when any who disagree with their teachings, or do not listen to them, are destroyed as part of an earthwide cleansing of 'wickedness'. This is despite the fact that many Witnesses have family members that refuse to join them."
From part of my letter. It would be great to have other people post a template letter, as I'm no Shakespeare..
IMHO, I can't see an editor being interested that Jw's used to say the end was coming in 1914, then changed it. Although it would be less controversial.. Hasn't every doomsday religion in history done something similar, though?
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Writing campaign to Washington DC papers in view of International Convention
by Londo111 inive heard from a credible source that the landover (dc) international convention is important to the society in view of the 100 year anniversary of "kingdom rule" and the location being near the capital of the "seventh world power".
perhaps they hope this particular international sends a message.
we know that come convention time usually there is some feel good fluff piece in the newspapers about the watchtower religion.
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Yeah, I know that the grammar stinks and the punctuation is all wrong, but I'm not exactly a Grade A student.
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Writing campaign to Washington DC papers in view of International Convention
by Londo111 inive heard from a credible source that the landover (dc) international convention is important to the society in view of the 100 year anniversary of "kingdom rule" and the location being near the capital of the "seventh world power".
perhaps they hope this particular international sends a message.
we know that come convention time usually there is some feel good fluff piece in the newspapers about the watchtower religion.
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(Only a rough guide, I don't know how to introduce this. Feel free to use any or all of this template, or suggest alterations and post how you think it could look better. Cheers!)
At the upcoming convention, the Witnesses will not be merely reading from the Bible and encouraging people to live a moral life and show Christian qualities such as love, kindness and mercy.
The Witnesses, in reality, study and learn from their publications, that tell them what the Bible really teaches (they have even produced a book called What Does The Bible Really Teach?).
These books and study magazines cause fear and guilt for anyone not doing enough preaching work, or not doing whatever the leadership says that the Bible commands, and speak of how their survival is dependent on doing the maximum possible amount of this work, which is always to take priority over any family ties and relationships.
They use controlling, fear-inducing statements, and tell people what they need to do in every aspect of life, in order not to be destroyed by God.
Further, they teach that anyone who refuses to change all of their beliefs to match up entirely with current Witness doctrine and join their group, will be killed at Armageddon (although they will avoid this if directly questioned on the matter), the end of the world which is due to happen 'any day now'.
The leadership have been telling their followers to warn people that they need to join the Witnesses , or face destruction, for more than a century now, which is all part of the excitement building up towards this convention, as it makes the average Witness think that the much longed-for end of the world 'must be close now'.
They eagerly look forward to the time when any who disagree with their teachings, or do not listen to them, are destroyed as part of an earthwide cleansing of 'wickedness'. This is despite the fact that many Witnesses have family members that refuse to join them.
This kind of destructive and unmerciful view of the world instills fear in people who may want to leave, and motivates them further to obey the leaders (who tell them what doctrines to believe and how to act in daily life in order to ensure unity of thought), or else they and their children will be killed by God for being disobedient to His 'earthly channel of communication'.
These leaders who claim, not to speak to God but to speak FOR Him, are called the Governing Body of Jehovahs Witnesses (they decide on all kinds of organisation procedures and doctrinal changes, making them in effect the Leaders), and they instruct even close family members to have nothing to do with each if other once anyone is expelled from the Jehovah's Witness group, even if their childs only 'sin' was disagreeing with a teaching. This would be, of course, after they had been warned to just believe what they are told in the publications. Expulsion, or disfellowshipping, requires members , including friends and family, not to speak to the former member of the organisation, unless it is regarding absolutely necessary business. Anyone who dares to speak to one who is disfellowshipped faces being expelled and shunned themselves.
Also, denying even life-saving blood transfusions is taught to be compulsory to be a part of the group, and therefore necessary to avoid destruction by God, even in the case of children too young to decide for themselves.
The Witnesses' goal is not to talk about the Bible and to improve family life - which is how they like to portray themselves to the general public - their aim is to draw potential converts in with promises of a paradise earth for those who vow obedience to their God and organisation, and who may be privileged to survive the end of the world with them, just as long as they don't disagree with any of the ever changing doctrines, and fully obey the organisation, no matter how unusual the instructions may seem at the time.
Witnesses are warned that, if they fail to obey the instructions from the organisation, it will one day cost them their lives. Survival through the 'end of this world' is constantly drummed into Witness minds as being dependent on obedience to the Governing Body's directions.
This theme is repeated often, though subtly and in a way that is difficult to see at first, throughout their publications.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
If you would like any further information, feel free to contact me at: **** or take a quick look at any of the following websites..
* jwfacts.com
*(insert well presented non sensational website here)
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They continue to drop like flies
by suavojr inyes, the jws continue to bleed their young ones, so far in my local kh 3 were dfd, one girl just turned 18 this month and packed her bags and said goodbye to the cult and her cultish parents, another young 18 year old man decided to have a non-jw girlfriend and decided to stop attending and is no longer a witness.
they continue to leave and wt leaders dont give a damn.
they dont do anything to help kids be successful and live a healthy life.. .
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Well don't worry, I won't be polluting the site with my racist propaganda any longer. (!)
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Back to the topic, all the youth in my hall are getting baptised in their teens, but there are a lot of young'uns, so they form a clique, whereas some congs may have very few socialising opportunities for the youth. In my very limited experience, only the type of rebels that listen to heavy rap music and play Grand Theft Auto have stopped attending. Or maybe it was just the ones that did these things and were smart aswell.. -
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The Bible Teach book illustration about the child having to be put through a painful operation
by defender of truth inhad you going there for a minute ;).
now you're here... there are several problems with that illustration, as i see it.. ..... 1) god is the one who inflicted the life threatening ailment that requires an operation.
(he supposedly decided what sin would be defined as, then once adam 'sinned', he cursed all of adams descendants to sin, grow old and die.).
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Thanks. It was worth it then :)
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The Bible Teach book illustration about the child having to be put through a painful operation
by defender of truth inhad you going there for a minute ;).
now you're here... there are several problems with that illustration, as i see it.. ..... 1) god is the one who inflicted the life threatening ailment that requires an operation.
(he supposedly decided what sin would be defined as, then once adam 'sinned', he cursed all of adams descendants to sin, grow old and die.).
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Woohoo! Ahem. Thanks guys..
Good point here:"Funny now how we used to think it made perfect sense."
..It isn't even that long ago, when I believed that God was a loving parent, and that temporary suffering was necessary. The question of animal suffering is what really forced me to think about the God I worshipped (off topic I know)..
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222352/22/Theists-why-does-God-allow-suffering#5053079